The problem with both of these lists is that they take advantage of the "lead squad" vs. "attached to squad" trick.
1 Emperor's Champion – Accept Any Challenge, No Matter The Odds [140]
1 Assault Terminator (3xTLC, 2xTH/SS, Furious Charge) [215]
1 Venerable Dreadnought (TLLC/HF/DCCW, EA, Tank Hunter) [170]
1 Terminator (2xCyclone ML/SB/PF, 3xSB/PF, Tank Hunter) [265]
5 Crusader (5/0, Melta, Pod-SB) [600]
2 Castellan, SS/LC, Tank Hunter [216]
2 Terminator Cmd (2xCML/SB/PF, 1xSB/PF, 1xSS/PW), Tank Hunter [474]
6 Land Speeder Typhoon (HB/Typhoon ML) [420]
Total 4xTH-CML, 2xCML, 1xTH-TLLC, 6xTML, 6xHB [2500]
In both cases these lists trade out one of the Elite Terminator squads to help finance a pair of HQ Terminator squads, it gives more LR dakka plus more resilient assault power since the HQ Terms are both built with a pair of Storm Shields. This one is more slightly more shooty since it has the TH-TLLC Venerable Dreadnought which gives it seven (7) discrete 48" shooting units. The major complaint I might see is the lack of fast Multimelta firepower. Also, if I have to end up buying Terminator armor for the Castellans, then it is going to hurt by reducing the Castellans down to SS/PW and lose the SS from the Sgt, but he gets his storm bolter back.
For the other variation of the list:
1 Emperor's Champion – Accept Any Challenge, No Matter The Odds [140]
1 Assault Terminator (3xTLC, 2xTH/SS, Furious Charge) [215]
1 Terminator (2xCyclone ML/SB/PF, 2xSB/PF, 1xSB/CF, Tank Hunter) [270]
5 Crusader (5/0, Melta, Pod-SB) [600]
1 Crusader (5/0, Melta, BP/PF, Pod-SB) [135]
2 Castellan, SS/LC, Tank Hunter [216]
2 Terminator Cmd (2xCML/SB/PF, 1xSB/PF, 1xSS/PW), Tank Hunter [474]
6 Land Speeder Typhoon (4xHB/Typhoon ML, 2xMM/Typhoon ML) [450]
Total 4xTH-CML, 2xCML, 6xTML, 2xMM, 4xHB [2500]
This one loses a shooter, but gains fast MM on the Typhoons and a PF Crusader squad. It also would be easier to salvage 50 points for Terminator armor by canning the PF, MM and CF on the Elite Terminator squad.
Another variation to the second list would be to replace the Assault Terminators with the Ven Dread and then be able to plow points back into the Crusader squads. Why do that? To get a shooter back and use my HQ Terminator squads with LC, PW and 3x PF as my counter charge capability.
1 Emperor's Champion – Accept Any Challenge, No Matter The Odds [140]
1 Assault Terminator (3xTLC, 2xTH/SS, Furious Charge) [215]
1 Venerable Dreadnought (TLLC/HF/DCCW, EA, Tank Hunter) [170]
1 Terminator (2xCyclone ML/SB/PF, 3xSB/PF, Tank Hunter) [265]
5 Crusader (5/0, Melta, Pod-SB) [600]
2 Castellan, SS/LC, Tank Hunter [216]
2 Terminator Cmd (2xCML/SB/PF, 1xSB/PF, 1xSS/PW), Tank Hunter [474]
6 Land Speeder Typhoon (HB/Typhoon ML) [420]
Total 4xTH-CML, 2xCML, 1xTH-TLLC, 6xTML, 6xHB [2500]
In both cases these lists trade out one of the Elite Terminator squads to help finance a pair of HQ Terminator squads, it gives more LR dakka plus more resilient assault power since the HQ Terms are both built with a pair of Storm Shields. This one is more slightly more shooty since it has the TH-TLLC Venerable Dreadnought which gives it seven (7) discrete 48" shooting units. The major complaint I might see is the lack of fast Multimelta firepower. Also, if I have to end up buying Terminator armor for the Castellans, then it is going to hurt by reducing the Castellans down to SS/PW and lose the SS from the Sgt, but he gets his storm bolter back.
For the other variation of the list:
1 Emperor's Champion – Accept Any Challenge, No Matter The Odds [140]
1 Assault Terminator (3xTLC, 2xTH/SS, Furious Charge) [215]
1 Terminator (2xCyclone ML/SB/PF, 2xSB/PF, 1xSB/CF, Tank Hunter) [270]
5 Crusader (5/0, Melta, Pod-SB) [600]
1 Crusader (5/0, Melta, BP/PF, Pod-SB) [135]
2 Castellan, SS/LC, Tank Hunter [216]
2 Terminator Cmd (2xCML/SB/PF, 1xSB/PF, 1xSS/PW), Tank Hunter [474]
6 Land Speeder Typhoon (4xHB/Typhoon ML, 2xMM/Typhoon ML) [450]
Total 4xTH-CML, 2xCML, 6xTML, 2xMM, 4xHB [2500]
This one loses a shooter, but gains fast MM on the Typhoons and a PF Crusader squad. It also would be easier to salvage 50 points for Terminator armor by canning the PF, MM and CF on the Elite Terminator squad.
Another variation to the second list would be to replace the Assault Terminators with the Ven Dread and then be able to plow points back into the Crusader squads. Why do that? To get a shooter back and use my HQ Terminator squads with LC, PW and 3x PF as my counter charge capability.
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